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Latest · S3 E01 · May 2026
Kicking off Season 3 — Maxwell's Return on Failure
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Season 03 · Spring 2026

How to Get a Return
on Failure

Maxwell argues that failure isn't a final grade — it's the tuition. We're using this book as a 9-week framework for naming the failures on our staffs (and in our own leadership), debriefing them well, and turning the cost into compounding interest.

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30 min
May 2026
How to Get a Return on Failure by John C. Maxwell

How to Get a Return on Failure

by John C. Maxwell

A practical playbook on turning setbacks into compounding growth. Maxwell unpacks the eleven differences between people who waste failure and people who profit from it — perfect raw material for a staff conversation that keeps coming back to "okay, so what now?"

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Jonathan Malm
Co-host · Writer

Jonathan Malm

Author and entrepreneur

Jonathan writes about creativity in the church, builds tools for staff teams, and has the uncanny ability to find the practical takeaway hiding in any chapter. Bring him a problem; he'll bring you three options.

Jason Young
Co-host · Consultant

Jason Young

Author, coach, leadership consultant

Jason has coached hundreds of staff teams through transitions, conflict, and the kind of growth that hurts a little. He's the one who'll ask the question nobody else wanted to.

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